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Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: Robert Vincent Sat 15 Oct 2011 20:24
Back in the 40s we lived in Waddingham and as a child I remember that a single decker route number 4 was the bus we caught to go to school. I remember it was coloured green. Can anyone tell me the route this bus took and is there any where I can get a picture of it and perhaps a model. is thre such a thing as a photograph of Lincolshire bus station in the 40s?
Look forward to hearing from you
Best regards Bob Vincent
Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: Jonathan (LVVS) Sun 16 Oct 2011 23:55
Lincolnshire Road Car route 4 ran from Lincoln to New Holland Pier (and connected there with boats to and from Hull)
I have a 1958 timetable to hand showing 4 journeys a day in each direction (although there were extra journeys just between Lincoln and RAF Scampton)
The route was from Lincoln to RAF Scampton, then the back road east of the A15 through Spridlington, Glentham, Waddingham to Redbourne, then the B 1206 to Brigg, then B 1204 to Ferriby, then via Barton -on- Humber and Barrow-on Humber to New Holland.
End to end journeys took 2 hours, 20 minutes.
In the 1940s, the buses in use would have been (principally) a mix of pre-war Leyland and post-war Bristol buses.
We have a 1935 Leyland in our collection which ran until 1959 - see http://www.lvvs.org.uk/fw5698.htm
- the model illustrated on that page is in the 'Exclusive First Editions' range - see http://modelbuszone.co.uk/efe/sd/183/18405.html
- it's not that much of a rarity and can often be found on a well known auction website, or from sales stalls at events such as our 6 November Open Day (you should also be able to get a ride on 1411 of you come along)
The post-war Bristols would have included buses like this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/pyewipe-jct/5699854220/
- not one of ours, but it is in active service in the summer each year as the Wensleydale vintage tour bus. It does sometimes come to our Open Day events, but doesn't run in service.
Again, there is a model (albeit in the coach livery) - http://modelbuszone.co.uk/ooc/sd/405/97869.htm http://www.sct61.org.uk/ixolrth.htm
has a selection of Lincolnshire bus photos from the 1930s onwards.
As far as the Lincoln bus station goes, prior to the (now demolished) St Marks bus station opening in 1959, LRC had a few terminus points in Lincoln. The 4 ran from the old Bus Station, which was in the yard of the 'Lion Hotel' (demolished long ago) - on the west side of the High Street, just south of the (Central Station) level crossing.
There certainly are photographs of it, but I can't find one on the web. There are a few books on Lincolnshire Road Car in publication, with plenty of photographs.
If you let us have your e-mail address (send us an e-mail if you don't want to post it on the message board) I am happy to send you a scan of the 1958 timetable for route 4.
Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: Bob Vincent Wed 15 Feb 2012 22:02
Hi Jonathan .Very many thanks for the comprehensive details you sent me on the 1940s Lincolnshire Roadcar route 4.I would like to take you up on your offer of a scan of the 1958 timetable of route 4 when you get time Many thanks and best regards
Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: Jonathan (LVVS) Fri 17 Feb 2012 21:13
Copy of the timetable to follow by e-mail.
I have also been made aware that I was incorrect in stating that the Lion Hotel building had been demolished.
It was situated at 170 Lincoln High Street (used by Somerfield until recently) and appears still to be standing, although the ground floor level has been substantially rebuilt.
Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: ALEX Tue 6 Mar 2012 20:28
i think the building still stands actully at chritch
Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: Jonathan (LVVS) Wed 14 Mar 2012 19:47
I was in Lincoln over the weekend, and the former Lion Hotel building (170 High Street) is now in use by Poundland.
Some 'then and now' photos to follow on our Flickr site in due course.
The 'Red Lion' at Crich Tramway Museum came from Stoke-upon-Trent (I think it had been one of the nearest pubs to the Potteries bus (former tram) depot and head office, but that's as far as its previous transport connections go.
Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: Jeff Sun 30 Sep 2012 18:39
I have just discovered this site so my comment my be well out of date.
There are two photographs of the Lincolnshire Road Car in the Peter Washburn compilation "Memory Lane, Lincoln & Lincolnshire" produced by the Lincolnshire Echo in 1999. On page 15 you can see the High Street exit and also an interior shot of people queing at the Sleaford barrier.
The exterior shot shows the Royal Oak pub entrance on the left & the Lion Hotel entrance on the right.I`m pleased to state that I used all 3 entrances during my mispent youth and I hope this belated comment was of use to someone.P.S The Oak closed because of fire if memory serves.
Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: Jeff Tue 2 Oct 2012 19:29
Re: location of the old Lincolnshire Road Car Omnibus station
at 169 High Street,Lincoln.Peacocks clothing store now stands on the original site.
Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: Jonathan (LVVS) Mon 8 Oct 2012 13:04
There seems to have been some re-numbering of High Street properties over the years - we have a publication including part of a 1905 street directory which lists the 'Royal Oak' at No. 168 and the Lion at 169. The current Peacocks is No. 169, Poundland No. 170
(I also hadn't realised that the High Street is numbered upwards from 1 to 265 on the east side, and then from 266 onwards down the west side)
I am quite confident that the current 'Poundland' building (now No. 170) is the same structure as the former Lion / Bus Station. The ground floor has been rebuilt fairly comprehensively, but there are a number of other features which are a close match -
Lion (believed to have been taken late 1940s, just added to our Flickr collection) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/lvvs/8066443545/
Poundland (taken September 2012 by one of our members) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/kk69521/7997400786
Lincolnshire Roadcar 1940sFrom: Jeff Sun 14 Oct 2012 22:10
Re: Jonathan (LVVS) Mon 8 Oct 2012 13:04
You are correct in saying `Poundland` occupies the `Lion Hotel` site but `Peacocks` now stands on the site of the original bus station.
If you enter `Peacocks` you will notice that it`s a very long store
the reason being that this was the alley that originally went all the way down onto the Waterside ,this was the entrance for the buses and they exited on the High Street.
The `Lion` was not part of the bus station but before they extended the pub the Road Car had some of the space for their utilities.
I do not know who occupied the rooms with the 4 windows above the High Street exit (now demolished) on the 1940s photo on Flicker,but in my memory the original bus station was not a building in the bricks and mortar sense it was only a half covered alley. I have just remembered there was also another entrance for buses, turn off the High Street towards the Rope Walk and its the first on the right past the old chapel opposite Debenhams North facing frontage.If you look on Google Earth
you can see the entire layout locate the `Peacock` follow the roof
line and you can see the rest of the alley and the above mentioned entrance.