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Strip bell wiring diaramFrom: James Tue 30 Aug 2011 8:14
Not sure if anyone here can help me out, but I'm looking for a wiring diagram for the strip bell which was fitted to busses for passangers to use to let the driver know they want to get off.
The reason is, that i have just found the prototype for this bell, which was designed by George Rock and it requires a little TLC.
Just really after finding as much information as I can on this device. I know he also designed the grab rail refered to in this article - http://www.lvvs.org.uk/dfe383.htm
which also points to "Jointine Products" as the producer of the grab rail, does anyone know if they also produced the strip bell?
Thanks in advance,
James (George's great grand son)
Strip bell wiring diaramFrom: Steve Milner LVVS (--@--.--) Wed 31 Aug 2011 8:06
Sorry to say that we do not have a diagram of the bus or indeed an interior shot when it was new. Just a thought but maybe the archives at Wolverhampton Council may have taken the Guy Motors records ( the manufacturers of the complete bus ) . The bus was exhibited at the 1948 commercial motor show so some shots really must exist somewhere ! Or maybe the records at the British Commercial Vehicle Museum at Leyland may have something . I doubt Jointines produced the handrails but they could have possibly converted the stainless variety which were fitted to the bus when new .
Another thought - the magazine `The Commercial Motor ` (weekly I think it was ) should have had a section on the show , and the bus . Not sure how easy it will be to find a copy though . Please keep us posted if you can . Best of luck.
Strip bell wiring diaramFrom: Jonathan (LVVS) Fri 2 Sep 2011 0:20
The magazine 'Bus and Coach' (the trade press for bus and coach operators of the era) tended to do a write up of the commercial motor show each year.
I am sure I have seen somewhere a reference to an issue in 1948 with 23 referred to - only snag is I can't remember where I saw that issue.
Our member Cyril Cooke's book on LCT has a few references, and that's where I got the info for the web page.
Re-reading Cyril's text, he only specifically says that the "intricate cured wiring" for the platform safety device (which caused a red light to show in the cab) - it's not 100% certain that the wiring for the 'bus stop' lights was produced by Jointines.
As for the 'bus stop' arrangements, his text says
a) bell strips were fitted to ceilings of both decks of 23
b) when pressed this would illuminate a blue light in the cab
c) there was a green light for 'go'
A 'bus stopping' light arrangement was also installed on Leyland PD2s 24-33 including a 'stopping' sign visible to passengers (it's unclear whether 23 had one of these)
23 certainly does not have many visible features of this system left, although there is a standard bus bell push in the driver's cab (near driver's left hand) and there is a visible space under the stairs where it looks as though a second bell push (less visible to passengers) was fitted at one time - presumably these were used to cancel the 'stopping' light - although it seems a bit impractical to expect the conductor to return to the platform at every single stop.
It's possible that the bell on the platform made a different sound in the cab to all the other bells (e.g. bell / buzzer) so that the driver would know whether the conductor had rung off from the platform or not. This is not that uncommon - from memory, our Lodekka has this feature. London Transport buses for example traditionally had a buzzer activated from upstairs and a bell from downstairs.
The basic premise of 'bus stopping' signs on modern buses (if this isn't stating the obvious) is that pressing the bell once both rings a bell and turns on the 'bus stopping' signs visible to passengers (and also often a dashboard warning light)
Those lights are turned off by opening the exit doors of the bus - obviously this wasn't possible with 23 hence (I assume) the bell push in the driver's cab.
This idea was about 40 years ahead of its time - a few operators adopted 'bus stopping' signs in the 70s, but they didn't really become standard until the mid 80s.
Hope this helps a bit.
Would be interesting to see what you've got - are you in a position to let us have a photo? Or for you to come and visit No. 23? (Feel free to e-mail rather than continue in public if you want)
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